City Fight

[Shadow_Hunter]

I had my first game of city fight last night. It was a fourway battle so we could learn the rules for the upcoming campaign our local GW shop is running.

There was a Crimson fist player, BA player and a SW player, and I chose my Eldar.

It was quite good fun. We only had 500pts each. I had 10 scorpians plus exarch with powerclaw. A fraseer leading them with fortune, some fire dragons and guardians.

The rules are for the first week,

1 HQ
2 Troop minimum.

You can then add anything else in, but its has to be less than 500pts. As the game wears on you can earn more points, and expand your army. Everything has to be completely painted too.

I chose Biel-tan, as with being limited with troops and HQ, I needed some decent troops.

The SW player had a whirlwind, and these kick ass. (well it kicked mine). They need no LOS, hit on a BS of 4, and cause D6 hits! 3 of my fire dragons died straight away to it, despite being miles away (well about 40") and several buildings between us.

Scorpians were ace. With plasma and haywire grenades, and the farseer leading them with fortune, they can take on anyone. Which is a good job, as so far the opposition are,

SW
BA
Imperial Guard
2x Orks
Tyranids
Tau

With more on their way.

[CyberShadow]

Cool. Keep reporting back on this, I will be interested to see how it goes. I like the idea of starting with a small army and growing slowly.

[Shadow_Hunter]

Well the campaign starts tommorrow at the GW store.

I've had a couple of games so far, and have pretty much decided on my force. There are 14 players so far, so it should be quite an interesting campaign.

The most recent game was another practise 4 way, with BA and SW again and my Eldar and a choas force. The chaos was an interesting force with 20 or more cultists, about 12 chaos marines, 6ish Daemonettes (that looked remarkably like bloodletters, ie he hasn't finished the models yet and used 'letters) and a lord, all in 500pts! . However I've found that my stormguardians ecxcell at deealing with cultists. Just eight and a warlock with WB killed6, and they had charged me. I think I lost two guardians, winning the combat. He rolled around 40 attack dice!!!

So my list is looking like this

Farseer with witchblade and fortune
7 SS with exarch (claw) all with plasma+haywire grenades
4 FD with exarch and pike
8 Storm Guardians with a flamer, fusion gun and plasma+krak grenades
1 Warlock with enhance and WB.

All this comes to around 500pts, and gives me 23 models.

After the first week I'll get an extra 250pts. I'm not sure what to take though. I'd like my warp spiders, but for just 4+exarch is 147pts. I'd also like my Shadow Weaver, some regular guardians. Nearly all of the marine players have taken a Dread, so I'm also thinking of a wraithlord or warwalker.

[CyberShadow]

Interesting. The first thing that I noticed about your list was that the longest ranged weapon that you have is a pistol or the Fire Dragons. I would avoid a Wraithlord at 750 points, as it will not make you many friends. Reapers might be good, especially with their blast radius in City Fight and the ability to stay in cover. They could be very nasty.

It looks like it will be an interesting campaign.

[Shadow_Hunter]

One thing that I've realised, is that with the amount of terrain that the GW guy has been using (he's running the campaign, he's also the chaos player) that long range weapons rarely have lOS. There is so much terrain around that 12" is quite adequate generally. You can only shoot through up to 6" of terrain, so even if you can see a squad behind ruins, if they are over 6" wide, you cant shoot them.

The only problem I will face is guess range weapons. They just need to roll to hit using the firers BS. this means that whirlwinds are very dangerous. 3 to hit, 2 to wound (Eldar) and D6 hits. Also its ordanance template reduces cover saves by one. This is why I was thinking of taking a Shadow weaver. Shoot the whirlwind with it (S6) as nothing else I have will be able to take care of one for a good couple of turns.

The Wraith Lord I dont really want to take. The only problem I'm having is the opposition dreads. Especially when they have a whirlwind too in 500pts! At the moment I'm relying on my Witch blades to do the job, my Fire Dragons aren't getting close enough, whirlwind fire killing them before they get a chance. I might drop them still.

I would like some rangers for long range fire with thier extra skills (add 1 to cover save, a lot of the time it will be a 3= save) and infiltrate. I'm just not sure if I will have a good field of fire. Dark Reapers maybe too expensive at first.

If I take a war walker I was thinking of keeping it cheap, and just using shuriken cannons, or maybe scatterlasers. With other armies consisting of orks, cultists and 'nids, it might be a wise purchase. It should also dishout enough shots to do damage to marines.

The exarch with the pike is the longest range weapon I have at the moment (18") Not much I know, but there's not much long range weaponry I can afford at first.

[Blacksnotling]

Do you have any idea what the Imperial Guard player has in his army for the campaign.
The reason I ask is I have difficulty with my guard army in City Fights. I often might try to take a tank but normally the lack of LOS severly hinders it. I hav ethought about taking a Hellhound for its close range abilities but its lack of armour seams to be a huge weekness in a close range game.
I have also tried taking all infrenty army but if the squads get pinned down and seperated then i lack any overall firepower.

One good thing about Ciry Fight is that it makes you change your tactics

[Shadow_Hunter]

There might be a couple of guard players, but I've only seen the one so far.

He had a Praetorian army (the red ones with white hats, like Zulu) Anyway, he had pretty much all infantry. But it was only 500pts at first. He had a Hell hound, and the rest was all foot sloggers (he had nuts loads) The scenario they did (capture a building) ended up being a draw. The Eldar guy lost 1 model, the imperail guard player lost 3. Neither of them played well and both sat back, not wanting to close on the target for fear of being in range of the opposition. To be honest it was a boring game, and I didn't watch most of it.

I'll keep an eye out for you, and ask them how they get on, and what tactics they use. There is another guard player, bt he's only just chose his army, do I dont know what he's taking. In 40K though he usually uses nuts loads of tanks.

[Shadow_Hunter]

I see my previous post was edited to be more reader friendly (ie change the swear words) Sorry for that Cybershadow, I'll try not to swear in future.

Well I saw the Pretonian guy in actio again last night. This week was 750pts. He had loads of troops again, two (yes two) Basilisks, a griffon and thats all I remember.

I played yesterday, and as luck would have it I'm next to the only other Eldar player. We were going to ally, but as we were both deployed on the rail terminal, we had to fight each other to see who claimed it. (and the VP that comes with it)

I won. My force was as before, but I had added two Distort cannons, another 7 storm guardians (now its a squad of 15 plus warlock) and a warwalker with two scatter lasers.

He had an Iyanden force, and had 10 Wraith Guard a Wraith Lord 15 defender guardians, 2 spiritseers and a farseer.

Once again my scorps charge in to HTH and tie up most of his army with very little loss to me. I charged his guardians with spiritseer and enhance and farseer with fortune. During the combat he sent in 5 wraithguard to help and his wraithlord (reduced to one wound. Lost one from D-cannon and one from Fire Dragon exarch).

I carried on smacking down his guardians with my scorpians, and my Farseer and Exarch with power fist dealt with the Lord.

At the end of turn four, all he had was two wraith guard in combat still with my scorpians ( i'd lost three of them) The mission was six turns to capture the tallest building. He conceeded, I get the railway.

We have now allied with each other. I now can add another 250pts. I need some long range anti tank weaponry. So I'm thinking of a Vyper with BL. At the moment my longest gun is the scatter lasers. But from what I've seen of other peoples armies (most of them very cheesy) I need something.

Most have a couple of tanks or dreads. The Basilisks and whirlwinds that are popping up everywhere are worrying me the most.

[CyberShadow]

Actually, I didnt alter your post at all. The forums have a list of censored words, which automatically alter posts when you view them. I just add certain words and what to replace it with onto a list. Dont worry about language here. say what you like and if I feel that it is too strong then I will just add it to the censored list.

I can imagine that people would be very quick to take something along the lines of a Dread in that environment. A Vyper seems like a great answer, no trouble with difficult terrain. What Craftworld do you play?

[Shadow_Hunter]

I went for a Biel Tann varient.

I knew with the limitations in place (lots of troops) that as many aspect warroirs I could get as possible as troops would be beneficial. So my troops at the moment are Fire Dragons and Scorpians. I'm tempted to take Warp spider next too.

[CyberShadow]

I would have done the same. That is why I asked, what about a Court of the Young King? How many points is that?

[Shadow_Hunter]

I dont think it would cost too much, but I didn't want to add a Avatar too early for fear of being thought of as cheesy. Saying that though, there are so many dreads and stuff around, I dont think anyone else is in any position to say anything.

Avatar is 80pts
FD exarch with pike= 46 +20pts for power weapon with reroll on wounds
Scorpian Exarch with claw= 46
Banshee Exarch with Executioner= 37
DA exarch with power weapon= 36

I think I might add an Avatar thinking about it, and hold on withh the spiders for a week.