Eldar in EpicA

[CyberShadow]

OK, well Shadow Hunters Eldar list for Epic Armageddon is now online, in the Additional Rules section, and so I thought that I would start a thread to discuss it here. I have a points and questions about it, and when I asked him, Shadow Hunter suggested that they be aired here instead of privately so that we could all add a voice.

Firstly, I like the army list a lot – as is obvious as I would not add it to the site if I did not. However, my first worry is about the number of Macro Weapons in the list. My view is that MW’s are huge weapons, capable of leaving only a smoking crater where a Rhino was once parked. However, both the Fire Pike and Wraith Cannon are counted as MW. I find this a little too powerful and a bit unrealistic. I would rather have these weapons as ‘normal’ AT weapons, even if they are good and short ranged.

The other thing is that all of the Aspect armour is all the same save. This may be practical, but I don’t know if altering the armour save would firstly make the Aspects more characterful, and secondly give a reason to take the Aspects which are at the moment, a little weaker.

The Holofield rule is OK, but I didn’t know if a system similar to the original Space Marine could be adopted, where it depends more on the Engines order last turn, rather than the actual distance moved. It also leads to the problem that what happens if the engine has moved this turn already, does the save then depend on last turns order, or this turns?

Lastly, it appears that the D-Cannon on a simple support weapon is the same as the one mounted on a Cobra, and that the support version is also MW. I would suggest downgrading the support weapon D-Cannon, as the power cells of a support platform would be considerably less than a Cobra. I think that a MW on a Cobra is idea.

So, what do you all think? Any further comments? Lets start a discussion and perhaps Shadow Hunter can evolve the list into something which is ideal for the new edition.

Thanks.

[Shadow_Hunter]

Thanks for putting it up on your site for others to see and comment on.

I look forward to including other peoples comments to my own so I can try and get it right.

There are a few MW weapons. I saw the multimelta had this rule, and then thought up weapons of a similar status to it. Items that came to mind were the firepike and wraith cannons. Maybe this is too powerful though as you could end up with lots of them. Switching them to AT would probably be just as good, since neither are particularly good at removing infantry, and therefore more effective against vehicles.

The aspect warriors do have different saves. Scorpians, warp spiders and shining spears have an armour value of 4+, the same as marines. The rest are 5+.

The Holofields, and Titans I haven't had a chance to try. I wanted to make them difficult to hit, rather then allowing a save. So I decided a modifier like that of being behind cover would work. It works by using the distance of the previous move, whether this turn or last. So say it was stunned this turn, and didn't move, it would be shot at with just a minus 1 modifier.

The supprot D-cannon was a bit of a nightmare. In 40K it cant move and shoot, but I didn't want a seperate entry for support platforms and heavy weapon platforms. So I put them together. Then I figured if any weapon of the Eldars should be a MW, then this is it. In 40k its S10 uses the ordanance table for penetration (just the other day in 40k I hit a Falcon rolled a 6 on the ordanance table and killed all the banshees inside instantly) I think if the firepike and wraithcannons are reduced at AT, then this could stay at MW. I think drop the blast cover and ignore shield rule though.

The diffence between the D-cannon on the platform and on the Cobra is biggger then. The Cobra will have extra range, ignore shields and cover.

[bedmat]

List is ok.

But i have a few questions.some units can have star cannon or multi laser. Star cannons are better so i cannot understand why give multilasers.

Look at predators in SM List annihilator and destructor have different point value.

Maybe something simmilar with this units?

Im waiting for vampires and nightwings. Some air force is needed. Thank u very much/

[bedmat]

I think about

Vipers, Falcons, wraithlords, support platforms ETc.

different weapons, better or worse, have all the same point value.

Strange?

[Shadow_Hunter]

The different weapon types was a problem, of which there was two ways to go about it. Either corralate them all into a simple 'Heavy Weapon' and just use one stat for them all (a bit boring and no fun) or give them all stats based on their 40k counterparts, even though this makes some better than others.

However, when I started play testing I found that my models had random weapons, and so I didn't particularly have a choice in the weapons to equip units with. This meant that even though there's no point in scatter lasers, a lot of my Vypers and Falcons etc had them, and so I had to use them. And wave seprents are nearly all (in my army anyway) equiped with shuriken cannons, which are only good againts infantry.

So I decided to keep the costs the same, as the models you own would dictate what weapon you are using, rather than what you want to use ( ie the army must be WYSIWYG)

Do you know what? I totally forgot about the flying units! I'll get to work on them.

[CyberShadow]

While we are talking about additional units, can I request:

Exarchs
Warlocks
Farseers

I have been thinking about psykers for my Cult Army, and used them as an upgrade, increasing the CC ability of the stand by +1.

[Shadow_Hunter]

I did consider Exarch rules etc. but decided not to bother at first. I think it would be a simple case of another upgrade option. The Exarch could add a modifier to the HTH chart (the one that gives penalties etc for having blast markers.)

I'll have a think and play.

[CyberShadow]

Oh, that got me thinking about Psykers. Something about always counting the stand as in cover for CC, I will need to think about it too.